Thoughts from places: Griffith Observatory
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The most beautiful ceiling is the one that plainly depicts the truth.

All of the pictures and overlay in this video were taken on my trip to Europe in 2009 (except night sky time lapses filmed in the South Australian desert). My point is this: if “no one could have acted with more piety” then why was Galileo persecuted? If we should “not allow the movement of the Sun and Earth to become a matter of faith,” then why was it? The best way to deal with unfortunate history is truthfully, not with propaganda.

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  1. yes my youtube secularized brethren. ur gaylord derick fisher just lost all his credibility and look like a intellectual bigot when he attacked the church built by one of the divine persons of the Trinity (the creator of the universe he worships).

    first of all what he says is non sequitur. his accusation that the church persecuted gaylileya is not rooted on fact it's rooted in anticatholic myth. which means it didn't happen. galileya was a practicing Catholic up untill death bed. and his arrest was due to him being an ass and arrogant. claiming his hypothesis to be already a theory when he has not gathered enough evidence. now we know it is a theory. but yourself in the 16th century where information is a lot scarce and u have to go through difficulties. nonetheless it wasn't because the church hate science it was because gaylileya was a flat out scrub and didn't do the work to make his data coherent at the time were copernican theory was predominant. and of course catholics had nothing to do at all with persecuting the gay. he just sucks. the house arrest , where they put him in a villa with chefs cooking him foods and servants. that's not even a prison. so no. u lost credibility or ur a faggit that's been lied to much

  2. yes my youtube secularized brethren. ur gaylord derick fisher mullen just lost all his credibility and look like a intellectual bigot when he attacked the church built by one of the divine persons of the Trinity (the creator of the universe he worships).

    first of all what he says is non sequitur. his accusation that the church persecuted gaylileya is not rooted on fact it's rooted in anticatholic myth. which means it didn't happen. galileya was a practicing Catholic up untill death bed. and his arrest was due to him being an ass and arrogant. claiming his hypothesis to be already a theory when he has not gathered enough evidence. now we know it is a theory. but yourself in the 16th century where information is a lot scarce and u have to go through difficulties. nonetheless it wasn't because the church hate science it was because gaylileya was a flat out scrub and didn't do the work to make his data coherent at the time were copernican theory was predominant. and of course science had nothing to do at all with persecuting the gay. he just sucks. the house arrest , where they put him in a villa with chefs cooking him foods and servants. that's not even a prison. so no. u lost credibility or ur a faggit that's been lied to much

  3. Very poor analysis, and what about society, do you think they could change their minds just because a man with an instrument said it? The real intention for the Church was to protect the centrical way of thinking as an alegory of one God.

  4. hmm, the persecution narrative has been over played in the American media and Ameircan Education system.

    the trurh lies in a more balanced story that follows as such
    1 the Galileo was catholic
    2 the church at his time was teaching the aristolelian/ptolemaic scientific view of the uninverse becuase that was what scientists agreed upon
    3 the pope at that time and galelio were friends and both were documented as egotistical men who disagreed but so most of society and other scienctists at the time
    4 the church herself setup universities for advance studies including to teach the sciences even before this time
    5 the church wrongly thought that galelio did not prove his case but his book greatly insulted the church offically personally thus the judgement was made harshly and badly to make an example of galileo

    i concede this chapter should not be lost but history should not bais one way or the other on this story; progressiveness doesn't have to revisition either

    just search "the galileo myth" on YouTube watch some sourced info on this

  5. You should be happy that the church upholds Galileo. Now all these things your talking about…Not seeing the suffering he went through for what he believed written on the church walls. This is in the past. The church wants to bring forward the myriad of good this man brung to faith and science, and forget the atrocities of the past, they where wrong, yes. The church publicly apologized for what they have done to Galileo, what more do you want? They are singing his praises! and THATS what Galileo deserved.

  6. I think this is a little one sided especially the criticism of the artwork on the church. Granted I have never been there and may have been overwhelmed, but I think it is beautiful the Majesty and thought that has gone into it, the high ceilings, the statues, I may not go for mummification but there is so much there to admire.
    If they did not mention his treatment it is because it is the first thing people know about Galileo, that he was persecuted by the Church. He is the antithesis of "the evils of the Church."
    People and organizations should own up to their mistakes, I am not denying the evil's that have been committed, but that does not mean the bad should take away from the good, nor the good from the bad.
    I find it ironic that you go on such a long explanation about "the really hard work people put into discovering the stars," and didn't talk about the beauty that went into making the art, paintings and buildings, as well as maintaining them. I love science and study it all the time, but it is one facet of human creation, along with art, poetry, architecture and so on.

    I understand the annoyance of propaganda being shown left and right for the church, but there is still an incredible beauty and hard work in the art, and buildings, that you seem to deny on the basis that you do not agree with The Church.

  7. Sorry, but is one of my pet peeves. So, how do I put this… People often give both too little and too much credit to Galileo Galilei: while he was a vocal proponent of heliocentricism, that's it, he was just a very vocal proponent of an, at the time, unpoular theory. But, astronomy wasn't his main area of study; physics was. Sure, he did invent a type of a telescope, but then again, so did Newton, and it's not the first thing people remember about the guy. Did he get prosecuted for being a proponent of heliocentricism? Well… at first it was like he was actively trying to piss people off(which I am not saying that is neccesarly bad, but not exactly good for your general health), and later, when things started to get serious he… chickened out and denied everything, then promised too be a good christian and stay in his house for the rest of his days. Sure, kinda like inprisonment, but definetly a much more lofty accomodation then of, say, Giordano Bruno, who was burned at stike. Kinda dissapointing, coparatively. But the thing everyone forgets about Galileo is that he is the father of modern dynamics, and he did most(not all) of his research while in captivity. You colud almost(!) argue that the captivity was the best thing to happen to him: he could finaly stop advocating other people's theories and work on his own. Most of his work with pendulum hails from that time. Newton is often quoted saying about standing on the shoulders of giants, and people keep forgeting Galileo is one of those giants: he set some foundation for the famos Newton's laws. So lets give credit where the credit is due. Oh, and the whole blindness thing? Well that is condition you often get from staring at the sun, as Galileo was wont to.

  8. Did the exhibit mention that Galileo practiced "judicial astrology", the predicting of people's future based on their horoscope? It wasn't merely a source of income, the surviving manuscripts include horoscopes for his brother, his daughters, some of his friends, and two for Galilei himself, with different times of birth (was he trying to get the best possible future?).
    This is rarely mentioned in overviews of Galileo's life, because it doesn't fit the "father of science" image. Let's face it, censorship can be found everywhere.

  9. Roman Catholic is the biggest syndicate this world had. Fuck you Catholic Idiots. Galileo is the truth. Your Gods and Goddesses, Patrons, Animal Deities and Saints all sucks.

  10. They 'persecuted' him for publishing false science, then to add insult to injury, he published it in the vernacular, rather than in Latin, which brought about many false beliefs by the masses. He was not persecuted for merely observing what Copernicus had already discovered a generation earlier. The real problem is that you, and almost everyone who was 'educated' by the secular machine, don't study anything like history on your own, you just swallow whatever the 'teacher' feeds you. Galileo published a whole lot of other things that were not proven and were later proven to be false, such as his explanation of the tides. Copernicus was hailed by the Church and ask to help rework the calendar which still had issues. He devoted his work to the Pope who helped him as much as possible. Galileo was a brilliant man, for sure, but nothing compared to Copernicus, who used his head, unlike Galileo who used a 'macroscope', aka, telescope, which he 'invented', by reversing the newly invented microscope. The Church is constantly dumped on because of bad history lessons propagated by the Public, Compulsory Brainwashing Machine. Copernicus discovered the heliocentric nature of the solar system and was celebrated by the Catholic Church. Galileo confirmed what Copernicus had already discovered a generation earlier. But Galileo went on to concoct a whole lot of false science and published it in the common language, spreading error upon error. The moral/Moria of this story is 'do your own home work, not just swallow the Bullsh*t'.

  11. As an absolute lover of science and truth, my only recomendation to you is that you actually study the subject you're speaking about before you post a video posing as some type of intelectual with this non-sense talk. The only truth I can see with a video of this sort is that you're an insincere poser. Rediculous. You can trick half a million ignorants as you, but to a true intelectual, you're nothing more than a lame wannabe.

  12. Galileo was not tortured, he was put under house arrest in a villa in tuscany… if you'd like to inform yourself /r/badhistory has discussed the galileo affair numerous times and James hannam's book "God's Philosophers: How the Medieval World Laid the Foundations of Modern Science" is an excellent read on the so called "christian dark ages" and was on the short list for the Royal Society Prize for Science Books in 2010.

  13. I don't intend to cause an argument with this statement, but I believe I have something that needs said. Within all this science-talk, which I am rather fond of, I see many people bashing my beliefs and simply telling me I'm wrong for believing what I do, which seems exactly the same as that which they were critizing the church for doing to Galileo. Now, I believe what I believe what I do, and as does anyone else have the same right. But I think I can reasonably state that the true injustice is that while I sit here, not judging anyone's beliefs, my right to believe what I will, all the while keeping to myself what I may believe the inaccuracy of others' beliefs, they should attempt to condemn my beliefs as scientifically invalid and void for mere consideration, which I recall is the same injustice those Americans that weren't religious fought to gain. Again, I won't tell anyone that you're wrong, because I wouldn't want to take away your inalienable rights that you so enjoy, but I do ask in return that those who have dissimilar beliefs from you would be treated the same, and not judged and bashed because you deem them wrong. I trust all of you that have done so would take this into consideration. Good day to you all.

  14. despite what some people still think today geocentrism isn't a viable alternative…… Heliocentricity is the way it is FACTUALLY…… Regardless of any holy book. If you believe Galileo was arrogant I ask you how would you feel if you had the only telescope and through observation you could determine we live in a heliocentric world and nobody would listen to you?

  15. A fact is a fact. The RC church persecuted Galileo through the inquisition because he dared to teach a the truth about planetary motion that the church didn't agree with. This is fact.Don't expect the truth from the church, they claim to know there is a god, when of course there is not. Not their god, nor is there any other gods.

  16. Yeah, propaganda…
    If you were born in a country that the U.S. isn't quite found of, then moved there and pay attention to the media regarding that country, you can really see how much biased information they feed to the public, though I won't say the info is false. They are just good at showing you the odd ones and urging you to think that they represent the entire population..

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